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	<description>In celebration of offbeat Delhi food</description>
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		<title>By: Anirudh Karnick</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator>Anirudh Karnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Karim&#039;s is that instead of ghee or oil, they use Dalda, which is not only very unhealthy but also something that their ancestors, whom they cite on the first page of their menu, would not have been using.

In my first year in college, I used to Karim&#039;s there once every week and have been going there off and on for the last six years.. Recently, I went there after six months and found that the dishes we ordered (Badam Pasanda, Chicken Stew) were nowhere near as good as they used to be.</description>
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<p>In my first year in college, I used to Karim&#8217;s there once every week and have been going there off and on for the last six years.. Recently, I went there after six months and found that the dishes we ordered (Badam Pasanda, Chicken Stew) were nowhere near as good as they used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: preeti nair</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>preeti nair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, 
This is totally out of context and very random but i had to give it a shot. 
My name is preeti and im from los angeles. I will be in Delhi on Nov 17th till the 20th. This will be my first trip to india. I am absolutely looking forward to the culinary experience but am afraid i will miss out on a lot sinve i dont know where to go and what to get. I was wondering if anyone on this site is willing to guide/accompany me through a foodie tour of delhi.
Pls email me as preeti562@yahoo.com
Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
This is totally out of context and very random but i had to give it a shot.<br />
My name is preeti and im from los angeles. I will be in Delhi on Nov 17th till the 20th. This will be my first trip to india. I am absolutely looking forward to the culinary experience but am afraid i will miss out on a lot sinve i dont know where to go and what to get. I was wondering if anyone on this site is willing to guide/accompany me through a foodie tour of delhi.<br />
Pls email me as <a href="mailto:preeti562@yahoo.com">preeti562@yahoo.com</a><br />
Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Parveen Sibal</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator>Parveen Sibal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and the pictures. I  was expecting your gang to be on healthier side {?} but they all looked pretty normal despite all the love of Food !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and the pictures. I  was expecting your gang to be on healthier side {?} but they all looked pretty normal despite all the love of Food !!</p>
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		<title>By: IMMORTAL</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-981</link>
		<dc:creator>IMMORTAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend Karim&#039;s Murgh Musallam anyday. Have it with the yeast naan and it can satiate 3 people with everything they expect from a gravy chicken .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend Karim&#8217;s Murgh Musallam anyday. Have it with the yeast naan and it can satiate 3 people with everything they expect from a gravy chicken .</p>
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		<title>By: narendra aggarwal</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>narendra aggarwal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sohail Hashmi,

I loved what you wrote.</description>
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<p>I loved what you wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajesh Balachandran</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajesh Balachandran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Himanshu.. thanks a planet for enlightening/ highlighting such great places to sample splendid food! for me it started with your interview in Express Newsline (IE daily suppl.) and you recommending Bade Mian Kheer Waale..whoever i&#039;ve taken there to have labelled it as the best kheer they&#039;ve ever had, and i still religiously take back half a kilo for my family whenever i am there (though being a mallu, i still relish  like a kid the rice payasam we get in mallu langars  :) ). and daulat ki chaat, which was marvelous (i just love the milky burp i get afterwards, sorry :P).
Have you tried Abdul Malik Tikke Waala&#039;s kali mirch ke tikke?? (he sits diagonally opposite and to the right of - if you are facing Bazaar Matia Mahal lane - Gate No.1, Jama Masjid. he sits everyday after 7.30 pm onwards till, as per him, 2-4 in the morning). it was again recommended in Expressline as the last few places where they serve such a tikka well. For veggies in our group, having a matar samosa or kachori at shyam sweets (his shop is at the chowk where Nai Sarak meets Chawari bazaar) is a delicious must! 
oh by the way, i get stymied everytime i end up at Afghan restaurant in lajpat nagar, that they dont open on sunday, that they are open only in the evening, lack of veg dish for the eklauta veggie in my group, and one time they were closed for no reason! the contact person you had mentioned (was it the same IE article ??) got pissed off with me saying, with a strong Pashto accent, this no. doesnt belong to Afghan restaurant. 
but thanks a ton again! will keep on adding new tidbits here as a token of appreciation. hope you like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Himanshu.. thanks a planet for enlightening/ highlighting such great places to sample splendid food! for me it started with your interview in Express Newsline (IE daily suppl.) and you recommending Bade Mian Kheer Waale..whoever i&#8217;ve taken there to have labelled it as the best kheer they&#8217;ve ever had, and i still religiously take back half a kilo for my family whenever i am there (though being a mallu, i still relish  like a kid the rice payasam we get in mallu langars  <img src='http://eoid.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). and daulat ki chaat, which was marvelous (i just love the milky burp i get afterwards, sorry <img src='http://eoid.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ).<br />
Have you tried Abdul Malik Tikke Waala&#8217;s kali mirch ke tikke?? (he sits diagonally opposite and to the right of &#8211; if you are facing Bazaar Matia Mahal lane &#8211; Gate No.1, Jama Masjid. he sits everyday after 7.30 pm onwards till, as per him, 2-4 in the morning). it was again recommended in Expressline as the last few places where they serve such a tikka well. For veggies in our group, having a matar samosa or kachori at shyam sweets (his shop is at the chowk where Nai Sarak meets Chawari bazaar) is a delicious must!<br />
oh by the way, i get stymied everytime i end up at Afghan restaurant in lajpat nagar, that they dont open on sunday, that they are open only in the evening, lack of veg dish for the eklauta veggie in my group, and one time they were closed for no reason! the contact person you had mentioned (was it the same IE article ??) got pissed off with me saying, with a strong Pashto accent, this no. doesnt belong to Afghan restaurant.<br />
but thanks a ton again! will keep on adding new tidbits here as a token of appreciation. hope you like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sohail Hashmi</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Sohail Hashmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, while in Luckhnow i met a friend and a very well respected food writer, considered an authority on affairs gastronomic, both were busy making a series on Indian food for a west European TV channel. They invited me to a 5 star hotel where the episode on the  Awadhi Cuisine was being shot. I was introduced to the chef as a dilliwallah who loves to cook, the chef, though not very keen to entertain the uncouth dilliwallah, had to be civil since the people featuring his hotel were showing me some respect. 
His civility did not however prevent me from trashing the food they were serving. Not because i have something against the city or its cuisine, far from it, i have eaten phenomenal food in the city of Wajid Ali, my wife is a half Luckhnawi and i know what i am talking about. But what they were serving was fit only for those who have grown up eating boiled stuff,  that is covered with powdered herbs before being wolfed down with the help of wine. Unfortunately it is these blokes who constitute the bulk of the clients of 5 star hotels and 5 star hotels all over the world cook for them.
When  I was through being as obnoxious to the chef as i possibly could i praised the Rabri that he served, and i praised it lavishly and also told him that it must have come from Ramasrey, because he is the best and their hotel, going by what they had been dishing out, could not have prepared anything so sublime.
I was right and the chef had to eat humble pie, it was at this point that the very well known food writer asked me, “Mister Hashmi we are also making an episode on Delhi what would you suggest should we feature Karim for Mughlai food. Despite my great respect for the man, i had to correct him twice, first i told him that it is Mughalia and second that Karim is not the place for Mughalia food. In order to drive the point home I asked him “does the  fellow who stitches your Kurta Pyjama also tailor your suits” he said off course not, but what does it have to do with karim. iIt was then that i had to patiently explain to him that Kababis, Khansamas, Nihari Makers, Naanbais, Halwais are different species of the same animal and yet they are as different as Chalk is from Cheese.
Karim operates out of Gali Kababiyan, these fellows used to make kababs and if their ancestors had anything ever to do with the Mughal court than I am a direct desecdent of Shahjehan!
Remember dear reader, the tradition of eating out, was looked down upon by the middle classes till as recently as fifty years ago in India. The reputation of Karim has been built unfortunately by First generation meat eaters who descended on this fair city in the late forties and early fifties. Please go out  into the city and explore, there is a specialist for everything, you cannot find everything at one place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, while in Luckhnow i met a friend and a very well respected food writer, considered an authority on affairs gastronomic, both were busy making a series on Indian food for a west European TV channel. They invited me to a 5 star hotel where the episode on the  Awadhi Cuisine was being shot. I was introduced to the chef as a dilliwallah who loves to cook, the chef, though not very keen to entertain the uncouth dilliwallah, had to be civil since the people featuring his hotel were showing me some respect.<br />
His civility did not however prevent me from trashing the food they were serving. Not because i have something against the city or its cuisine, far from it, i have eaten phenomenal food in the city of Wajid Ali, my wife is a half Luckhnawi and i know what i am talking about. But what they were serving was fit only for those who have grown up eating boiled stuff,  that is covered with powdered herbs before being wolfed down with the help of wine. Unfortunately it is these blokes who constitute the bulk of the clients of 5 star hotels and 5 star hotels all over the world cook for them.<br />
When  I was through being as obnoxious to the chef as i possibly could i praised the Rabri that he served, and i praised it lavishly and also told him that it must have come from Ramasrey, because he is the best and their hotel, going by what they had been dishing out, could not have prepared anything so sublime.<br />
I was right and the chef had to eat humble pie, it was at this point that the very well known food writer asked me, “Mister Hashmi we are also making an episode on Delhi what would you suggest should we feature Karim for Mughlai food. Despite my great respect for the man, i had to correct him twice, first i told him that it is Mughalia and second that Karim is not the place for Mughalia food. In order to drive the point home I asked him “does the  fellow who stitches your Kurta Pyjama also tailor your suits” he said off course not, but what does it have to do with karim. iIt was then that i had to patiently explain to him that Kababis, Khansamas, Nihari Makers, Naanbais, Halwais are different species of the same animal and yet they are as different as Chalk is from Cheese.<br />
Karim operates out of Gali Kababiyan, these fellows used to make kababs and if their ancestors had anything ever to do with the Mughal court than I am a direct desecdent of Shahjehan!<br />
Remember dear reader, the tradition of eating out, was looked down upon by the middle classes till as recently as fifty years ago in India. The reputation of Karim has been built unfortunately by First generation meat eaters who descended on this fair city in the late forties and early fifties. Please go out  into the city and explore, there is a specialist for everything, you cannot find everything at one place.</p>
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		<title>By: gautam</title>
		<link>http://eoid.org/2008/11/21/karims/comment-page-2/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We found that
prions bound to montmorillonite and whole soils remained orally
infectious, and, in most cases, increased the oral transmission of
disease compared to the unbound agent. The results presented in
Johnson CJ, Pedersen JA, Chappell RJ, McKenzie D, Aike JM, 2007 
Oral Transmissibility of Prion Disease Is Enhanced by Binding to Soil Particles. 

PLoS Pathog 3(7): e93. doi:10.1371/journal.ppat.0030093 



this study suggest that soil may contribute to environmental spread
of TSEs by increasing the transmissibility of small amounts of
infectious agent in the environment.


Many here are interested in consuming the brains &amp;.or sweetbreads popular in Muslim &amp; Parsi cookery. Even workers in American pork slaughter houses working with animals certiiednot to be infected with any Trasmissible Spongoform Encephalopathies, but in physical contact with brains merely through hosing have become severely at risk for a number of conditions. These  incidences ofmorbidity were  tracked back to earlier times, when the children of French butchers in Marseilles exhibited abnormally high rates of childhood leukemia. I am a cell biologist, and we are gradually learning many more things as we continue to live longer and screen out the more obvious killers that would have masked these other lethal agents lurking in the background.  

For those who might choose to listen, I would urge you to eat meat as far away from the brain, throat &amp; spinal cord as possible; i.e. draw a line passing across the lower mid-shoulder, and eat everything below. Better yet, stick to the 4 arms/shanks. Enough meat there, when there is already an alarm being raised about too much red meat and the genetics of the Indian male.

As we in India begin to grow sald greens &amp; coriander leaf/mints in periurban areas using sewage waters, the probabilities of lethal forms of common parasites &amp; pathogens begin to mount. Short of using detergent- laced water to wash all fruit and vegetables, followed by a soak in 1:9 5% sodium hypochlorite solution [Clorox] or N-halamine, or other complicated short-burst microwave or electron-beam treatments, some of these things can become very very serious, entering the brain, or causing toxic shock. Once is enough! Various  types of hepatitis, ccute or chronic leave the liver predisposed to later and more dangerous damage.

Since all the friends here are fond of enjoying food outside, there are some sensible  precautions to take:e.g. not eat salads in the Afghan restaurant or even in 5 star restaurants Be wary of dhaniya leaf garnishes unless they are in boilng hot gravies: this is a major contaminating source, as it is grown right
 outside Delhi for freshness &amp; high value [most unfortunately using the outfall water from sewage treatment/mistreatment]. This precaution holds true in your own home as well.

 Please eat food that needs to be handled as least as possible by vendors. Please be aare that most Indians uffer from chronic low-intensity intestinal disorders that can be clinically demonstrated. There is a factor in microbial population ecology called quorum sensing that continuously modulates the virulence factors of different groups of organisms from day to day so that  the same vendor will have different degrees of infectivity on different occasions and your resistances too will be variable. We see people with beringed fingers dispensing panipuri fluid or otherwise in cross-contaminating situations. Given the modes of personal hygiene employed by most Indians, rings become a reservoir of dangerous fecal bacteria. 

I was shocked by the casua disregard of elementary consideration, to say nothing of hygiene, exhibited by the hosts of Highway On My Plate: in various confectionaries, bakeries etc. they hung over the counters where food was displayed at eye level, talking over such displays, not realizing the effluvi depositing on the food, then taking out trays of food, playing, handling, joking, to be restored back for general sales. What is wrong with our culture and our own minds when people who claim to be so hip &amp; cool are unaware of the very wrong example they are setting? We are drama queens about swine flu, yet we are completely unconcerned about the minimal standards of food hygiene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We found that<br />
prions bound to montmorillonite and whole soils remained orally<br />
infectious, and, in most cases, increased the oral transmission of<br />
disease compared to the unbound agent. The results presented in<br />
Johnson CJ, Pedersen JA, Chappell RJ, McKenzie D, Aike JM, 2007<br />
Oral Transmissibility of Prion Disease Is Enhanced by Binding to Soil Particles. </p>
<p>PLoS Pathog 3(7): e93. doi:10.1371/journal.ppat.0030093 </p>
<p>this study suggest that soil may contribute to environmental spread<br />
of TSEs by increasing the transmissibility of small amounts of<br />
infectious agent in the environment.</p>
<p>Many here are interested in consuming the brains &amp;.or sweetbreads popular in Muslim &amp; Parsi cookery. Even workers in American pork slaughter houses working with animals certiiednot to be infected with any Trasmissible Spongoform Encephalopathies, but in physical contact with brains merely through hosing have become severely at risk for a number of conditions. These  incidences ofmorbidity were  tracked back to earlier times, when the children of French butchers in Marseilles exhibited abnormally high rates of childhood leukemia. I am a cell biologist, and we are gradually learning many more things as we continue to live longer and screen out the more obvious killers that would have masked these other lethal agents lurking in the background.  </p>
<p>For those who might choose to listen, I would urge you to eat meat as far away from the brain, throat &amp; spinal cord as possible; i.e. draw a line passing across the lower mid-shoulder, and eat everything below. Better yet, stick to the 4 arms/shanks. Enough meat there, when there is already an alarm being raised about too much red meat and the genetics of the Indian male.</p>
<p>As we in India begin to grow sald greens &amp; coriander leaf/mints in periurban areas using sewage waters, the probabilities of lethal forms of common parasites &amp; pathogens begin to mount. Short of using detergent- laced water to wash all fruit and vegetables, followed by a soak in 1:9 5% sodium hypochlorite solution [Clorox] or N-halamine, or other complicated short-burst microwave or electron-beam treatments, some of these things can become very very serious, entering the brain, or causing toxic shock. Once is enough! Various  types of hepatitis, ccute or chronic leave the liver predisposed to later and more dangerous damage.</p>
<p>Since all the friends here are fond of enjoying food outside, there are some sensible  precautions to take:e.g. not eat salads in the Afghan restaurant or even in 5 star restaurants Be wary of dhaniya leaf garnishes unless they are in boilng hot gravies: this is a major contaminating source, as it is grown right<br />
 outside Delhi for freshness &amp; high value [most unfortunately using the outfall water from sewage treatment/mistreatment]. This precaution holds true in your own home as well.</p>
<p> Please eat food that needs to be handled as least as possible by vendors. Please be aare that most Indians uffer from chronic low-intensity intestinal disorders that can be clinically demonstrated. There is a factor in microbial population ecology called quorum sensing that continuously modulates the virulence factors of different groups of organisms from day to day so that  the same vendor will have different degrees of infectivity on different occasions and your resistances too will be variable. We see people with beringed fingers dispensing panipuri fluid or otherwise in cross-contaminating situations. Given the modes of personal hygiene employed by most Indians, rings become a reservoir of dangerous fecal bacteria. </p>
<p>I was shocked by the casua disregard of elementary consideration, to say nothing of hygiene, exhibited by the hosts of Highway On My Plate: in various confectionaries, bakeries etc. they hung over the counters where food was displayed at eye level, talking over such displays, not realizing the effluvi depositing on the food, then taking out trays of food, playing, handling, joking, to be restored back for general sales. What is wrong with our culture and our own minds when people who claim to be so hip &amp; cool are unaware of the very wrong example they are setting? We are drama queens about swine flu, yet we are completely unconcerned about the minimal standards of food hygiene.</p>
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		<title>By: gautam</title>
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		<dc:creator>gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:goat &amp; lamb: 

First goat: there are several breed differences, how they are raised, gender, age of slaughter, post-slaughter coolng and onset of rigor [here is where the Jama Masjid abbatoir vs. the Faridabad one, batch slaughter vs. line, coolng by air, no cooling, chilling, every post-slughter handling step has an effect on the &quot;chewiness&quot; of the carcass]. Also, do not forget that the expert Muslim butcher is a vanishing breed, and meat cutting lends much to meat quality.

The Barbari, one of the three major goat breeds of the areas immediately  is genetically quite distant from the Beetal &amp; Jamnapari, the latter two &quot;Nubian&quot; type  milch breeds with COARSE muscle fibers. 

The Barbari would be a lightly better choice, with castrates aged above 10 months  but not more than 2, corresponding very roughly to the hoggett stage in sheep, but a bit older. Traditionally, there was the fattening process known as GRAM FED MUTTON where after weaning and a period of browsing, animals were finished off in stalls with a rich diet of chickpeas. Goats physiologically are unable to deposit much subcutaneous fat, in contrast to lambs; their major fat depots are abdominal. However, with the Boer goat genetics [that also include Jamnapari in their ancestry] appreciable amounts of subcutaneous fat are deposited and very high weights are achieved below 1 year of age.

Therefore, a Barbari x Boer cross, or Boer x Black Bengal, has the potential of creating a higher quality meat animal where careful feeding, humane slaughter [which current hall method are absolutely not, brutally wrestling down an animal, twisting its head by force with its horns on the floor, nominall reciting some perunctory prayers, shoving water down a terrified gullet and cutting a throat with no knowledge of physiology or anatomy]. When people here speak of being hungry for buffalo, they should also insist on  civilized norms of slaughter, not trollish hitting the animal on the head with a  crude mallet, waiting for it to collapse etc. 

What is obvious is that today, demand being very high, any and all goat are being used for restaurants, not the carefuly raised &amp; prepared prime animals. In the USA there is meat grading, Prime, Choice, Canner/cutter etc. reflecting to a SLIGHT degree the meat quality, age must also be stated. This sort of grading would compel restaurants to declare whether they were using prime or lower quality and lead to better animal husbandry [hopefully! Although being Indians, we can cheat, corrupt &amp; destroy any good system devised on God&#039;s green earth].

With regard to sheep, we have in the Deccan more than 1 breed with good meat conformation. We have good browse and other forage that promote high meat quality, as opposed to blandness. We are the single nation on earth where rich, heavenly sheep milk goes a-begging for pennies, because until some Westerner tells us that it is fashionable to consume, we have not the sense to realize the value of our own produce. Our Ongole/Nellore cattle win top honors at the Clay Meat Research Center at the University of Nebraska for taste &amp; tenderness, as do Red Sindhi hybrids in Australia. As someone who blanches in horror at beef eating, this is not what I personally like but still we have extraordinary  beef breeds in India, that also are extraordiary milk breeds. Our cattle form the backbone
 of the tropical South American beef industry. WE just do not want to take care of our animals. Our goats sheep, buffaloes, even (yikes) cattle &amp; veal could be stupendous value-added products, and yet we are borrowing South African goat genetics [created from our 
own germplasm to] &quot;improve&quot; our meat goats!! How 
absurd!!  And daily putting up with worthless, unhygienic meat!! Saudi Arabia does not, with spotless modern plants, rigorous inspections, top quality meat animals, expert meat handling, but we must!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:goat &amp; lamb: </p>
<p>First goat: there are several breed differences, how they are raised, gender, age of slaughter, post-slaughter coolng and onset of rigor [here is where the Jama Masjid abbatoir vs. the Faridabad one, batch slaughter vs. line, coolng by air, no cooling, chilling, every post-slughter handling step has an effect on the "chewiness" of the carcass]. Also, do not forget that the expert Muslim butcher is a vanishing breed, and meat cutting lends much to meat quality.</p>
<p>The Barbari, one of the three major goat breeds of the areas immediately  is genetically quite distant from the Beetal &amp; Jamnapari, the latter two &#8220;Nubian&#8221; type  milch breeds with COARSE muscle fibers. </p>
<p>The Barbari would be a lightly better choice, with castrates aged above 10 months  but not more than 2, corresponding very roughly to the hoggett stage in sheep, but a bit older. Traditionally, there was the fattening process known as GRAM FED MUTTON where after weaning and a period of browsing, animals were finished off in stalls with a rich diet of chickpeas. Goats physiologically are unable to deposit much subcutaneous fat, in contrast to lambs; their major fat depots are abdominal. However, with the Boer goat genetics [that also include Jamnapari in their ancestry] appreciable amounts of subcutaneous fat are deposited and very high weights are achieved below 1 year of age.</p>
<p>Therefore, a Barbari x Boer cross, or Boer x Black Bengal, has the potential of creating a higher quality meat animal where careful feeding, humane slaughter [which current hall method are absolutely not, brutally wrestling down an animal, twisting its head by force with its horns on the floor, nominall reciting some perunctory prayers, shoving water down a terrified gullet and cutting a throat with no knowledge of physiology or anatomy]. When people here speak of being hungry for buffalo, they should also insist on  civilized norms of slaughter, not trollish hitting the animal on the head with a  crude mallet, waiting for it to collapse etc. </p>
<p>What is obvious is that today, demand being very high, any and all goat are being used for restaurants, not the carefuly raised &amp; prepared prime animals. In the USA there is meat grading, Prime, Choice, Canner/cutter etc. reflecting to a SLIGHT degree the meat quality, age must also be stated. This sort of grading would compel restaurants to declare whether they were using prime or lower quality and lead to better animal husbandry [hopefully! Although being Indians, we can cheat, corrupt &amp; destroy any good system devised on God's green earth].</p>
<p>With regard to sheep, we have in the Deccan more than 1 breed with good meat conformation. We have good browse and other forage that promote high meat quality, as opposed to blandness. We are the single nation on earth where rich, heavenly sheep milk goes a-begging for pennies, because until some Westerner tells us that it is fashionable to consume, we have not the sense to realize the value of our own produce. Our Ongole/Nellore cattle win top honors at the Clay Meat Research Center at the University of Nebraska for taste &amp; tenderness, as do Red Sindhi hybrids in Australia. As someone who blanches in horror at beef eating, this is not what I personally like but still we have extraordinary  beef breeds in India, that also are extraordiary milk breeds. Our cattle form the backbone<br />
 of the tropical South American beef industry. WE just do not want to take care of our animals. Our goats sheep, buffaloes, even (yikes) cattle &amp; veal could be stupendous value-added products, and yet we are borrowing South African goat genetics [created from our<br />
own germplasm to] &#8220;improve&#8221; our meat goats!! How<br />
absurd!!  And daily putting up with worthless, unhygienic meat!! Saudi Arabia does not, with spotless modern plants, rigorous inspections, top quality meat animals, expert meat handling, but we must!!<br />
he</p>
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		<title>By: Amarjit Singh</title>
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		<description>Last week we ventured into the much hyped aljawahar restaurnat. Had heard stories of the tandoori raan(roast leg of goat/lamb),so ordered on along with almost the entire kabab menu,mutton seekh,chicken seekh,and shammi kabab. For almost rs 100 a plate each and compared with the recently consumed street kababs,,they were bland and less spicy.the mutton seekh was o.k.Raan came on a platter dressed with tomotoes...some parts were chewy and hard and some soft,the spice was not that great and almost bland .Since we had to pay rs 350 for it we gorged on every piece of flesh left on the bone and finished everything.Appearances are deceptive.Look and feel of the dish didn&#039;t compare to the taste..one time experience...

Purani Dilli in Zakir Nagar beats both Karim&#039;s &amp; Al-jawahar interms of quality,taste and price.Have consumed gravy dishes earlier in Karim&#039;s &amp; aljawahar but purani dilli is a winner..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week we ventured into the much hyped aljawahar restaurnat. Had heard stories of the tandoori raan(roast leg of goat/lamb),so ordered on along with almost the entire kabab menu,mutton seekh,chicken seekh,and shammi kabab. For almost rs 100 a plate each and compared with the recently consumed street kababs,,they were bland and less spicy.the mutton seekh was o.k.Raan came on a platter dressed with tomotoes&#8230;some parts were chewy and hard and some soft,the spice was not that great and almost bland .Since we had to pay rs 350 for it we gorged on every piece of flesh left on the bone and finished everything.Appearances are deceptive.Look and feel of the dish didn&#8217;t compare to the taste..one time experience&#8230;</p>
<p>Purani Dilli in Zakir Nagar beats both Karim&#8217;s &amp; Al-jawahar interms of quality,taste and price.Have consumed gravy dishes earlier in Karim&#8217;s &amp; aljawahar but purani dilli is a winner..</p>
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